Re: [Maypole] Maypole's direction and Perl web frameworks

From: Vsevolod (Simon) Ilyushchenko (simonf at cshl.edu)
Date: Mon Jan 10 2005 - 15:24:20 GMT


Perrin Harkins wrote:
> Vsevolod (Simon) Ilyushchenko wrote:
>
>> Class::DBI lacks a few features that
>> I like in SPOPS
>
>
> Would you mind sharing what they are?

They are auto-creation of instance variables based on column names (so
that I don't have to specify them in configs), many_to_many
relationships (though maybe has_many can be tweaked to support that) and
lack of auto-save for child objects in relationships.

>> 4. I don't know of anything else that is comparable to Maypole. Most
>> other similar Perl projects are too simplistic (CGI::Application) or
>> too abstract (Apache::AxKit).
>
>
> CGI::Application has a number of plugins now that make it more
> interesting. Apache::PageKit might be interesting to you as well.

AFAIU it does not have fetching objects from the database by class name
and id as a defining feature. Ditto about CGI::Application. Plugins to
the latter may help, but I'd rather go with a single comprehensive package.

>> OpenInteract, much as I respect Chris Winters, is an overkill too.
>
>
> It's a whole lot simpler than Struts or Spring...

Right, but the latter have the benefit of a lot more developer input, as
well as documentation and books.

>> 5. Java. I am not very optimistic about the rates of development of
>> Perl web frameworks, but at least the situation is slowly improving.
>> However, Java is far ahead of Perl in terms of standard approaches to
>> web apps (Spring, Hibernate) and available expertise.
>
>
> I like Hibernate too, but you kind of sound like you're seeking an
> impossible middle ground.

Well, if my question was simple, I'd figured it out myself. :)

> How can something provide more than the
> current perl web frameworks and yet be simpler than OpenInteract? Is
> there something specific you're not finding in the perl frameworks,
> other than a huge user community and the commercial documentation that
> goes along with that?

I guess the promise that it will be around and not abandoned for a good
while. Maypole looks good in this regard, but I wanted to check.

Thanks,
Simon

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